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How do you believe existence began?

We have already discovered long ago that existence cannot be without some sort of reaction between molecules, atoms, etc. So that being the case, how do u believe existence came to be?

Posted: November 9th 2011

Dave Hitt www

I don’t know. The math is way above my head. I know we exist, and that’s enough for me.

God Did It doesn’t answer the question either, because it brings up the question of how he came to exist. It adds another level of complication that has no evidence to support it.

But sometimes, “I don’t know” is a perfectly valid answer. I’ll probably never know. And I’m OK with that.

Posted: November 12th 2011

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Blaise www

Sometimes I really wish the site would allow us to request clarification from the asker. The sentence, “We have already discovered long ago that existence cannot be without some sort of reaction between molecules, atoms, etc.”, seems to be complete and unfounded gibberish, but it might simply be a poor expression of what the asker wanted to say. Molecules and atoms exist just fine without reacting or interacting with other particles.

That said, it’s a complete non sequitur to the question, as whatever created the universe (assuming it had a creation, and is not, in fact, eternal), would have created particles the same whether it was a god, a random accident, or magic.

Posted: November 11th 2011

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Galen Rose www

You appear to be asking how the universe came into existence. It appears that the Big Bang is the guilty party, and if so, it probably was pure energy to begin with, then quarks coalesced out of it, leading to atoms and then molecules.

It may be that asking what came before the Big Bang is a meaningless question since it was the beginning of time, so there was no “before.” True, it is a serious conundrum how we got something for nothing, an effect without a cause, but there seems no way around it.

As for a god creating a universe, I think this idea is a non-starter. The problem is that a god-creator must be extremely complex, a thinking entity, and a thinking entity existing without a cause seems to be even more unlikely than a non-thinking, simple matter and energy universe existing without a cause. Every complex thing we know of in the universe evolved from something simpler, something less complex. So the idea of the most complex entity imaginable, a creator-god, existing before anything else existed, without any process involved to bring it into existence, seems pretty far-fetched.

Interestingly, many children glom onto this problem quite quickly. If a five year-old asks where the world came from (before he’s been indoctrinated by the church), and you tell him that god made it, he will very likely ask you, “Then where did god come from?” He knows you haven’t provided an answer. You’ve just provided another question.

Posted: November 11th 2011

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SmartLX www

Reacting molecules and atoms can’t have caused all existence in the usual sense of the word “caused”, because if they were there to cause it then they already existed beforehand. (To what specific discovery which violates this logic are you referring, I wonder?)

Something or other may always have existed, going back into infinity. There might have been another universe which spawned the Big Bang, or the “quantum foam” might be creating universes regularly, or any of another dozen different types of past-infinite universe models might be correct. (Before anyone else brings this up, Borde, Guth and Vilenkin only ruled out certain specific types of past-infinite universes, and did not try to actually demonstrate that the universe had a beginning.)

If there really was a beginning, though, time started at that point as well as space, so causation as we know it goes out the window and the question may not make sense. Even disregarding the peculiarities of the origin of time, we’ve never seen anything actually come into existence, as opposed to forming from already-existing material, so we have no idea what makes it happen.

One approach which certainly does NOT help is to posit or assert the existence of another entity more complex, exotic and powerful than the whole universe put together. It explains the universe in a superficial sense, but it has no explanation itself and we are no more enlightened.

Posted: November 11th 2011

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