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How should I respond to this?

I asked my theist friend:

“If god really wants to make himself known, why did he entrust a selective few in the Middle East to relay this message onto other people, and not just simply reveal himself? Don’t you think an all-knowing, all-powerful, all-loving god would have a more efficient way of making sure everyone makes it to heaven?”

He responded:

“No one would truly love him if he did that.”

I didn’t know how to respond to that. It’s not that it’s a particularly solid argument (it’s far from that), I just don’t know how to explain why that’s not a good reason.

Posted: February 29th 2012

Dave Hitt www

I would respond with, “What? Seriously? That makes no sense at all.”

I’m not the most tactful guy in the world.

Posted: March 3rd 2012

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logicel

Possible responses:

1) Don’t say no one, I would be quite fond of the dude if he was that forthcoming and clear. It would says heaps about his good character.

2) You would truly love your parents only if they were absent and you never saw them? I promise I won’t let your parents know this!

3) It’s all about this god being loved then, not ensuring that everyone makes it to heaven? It is all about him and no one else. How selfish.

4) This god hides himself because he is afraid of being rejected? What a timid soul! He lacks that much confidence in himself?

Theists make exceptions for their god’s behaviour, a behaviour that would not be tolerated in mere humans. With god belief, anything goes. Scape goating, being responsible for your ancestors’ bad deeds, and love on demand, beliefs that would not stand up in a court of law.

I would suggest asking your friend to define love and take it from there, always grounding his replies to what humans consider to be healthy ways of loving and caring. If us humans can get it right, this god should be able also.

Posted: March 2nd 2012

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Blaise www

The best response I can think of would be “Why would you think that?” It couldn’t possibly be difficult to poke massive holes in his answer…

Posted: March 2nd 2012

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Galen Rose www

I would begin by asking him why he thinks people would not love a god who showed himself clearly and proved he was a good god? That doesn’t make any sense. In fact, those are the only conditions under which a god should be believed in and loved. Any other approach involves guesswork on the part of humans.

If a god doesn’t show himself, in some concrete fashion, then we can only believe by taking someone else’s word for his existence. But why should we do this when we know for certain that all people are fallible, many are easily duped, and some are dishonest?

It makes no sense to believe in invisible beings without objective, repeatable, real world evidence. To do so is merely guessing, and we know for a fact that billions of people have taken another’s word for the existence of gods and been wrong – like all those ancient Greeks, Egyptians, Aztecs, Norsemen, etc. – all of those who believed in gods other than the “one true god” (if there were one).

Frankly, I think any real god who saw us believing in any god or gods on nothing but the say so of others would be disgusted with our gullibility.

Posted: March 2nd 2012

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George Locke

God prefers to hide himself, damning countless billions to endless torment, rather than clarify his existence and what he expects of us, just so he can be “truly loved” by a fraction of humanity? That’s disgusting.

How could anyone worship a being that cares so little for us?

Posted: March 2nd 2012

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