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What about the eternal God?

After having read the Richard Dawkins’ book 'The God Delusion’ I haven’t understood some pieces of the author’s argumentation. He says that the theory of the Intelligent Design is much less probable if we consider God – who had to be designed by someone (something?) else. But most of the religions state, that their God is eternal and has existed with no beginning. How can we confront these two facts?

Posted: January 24th 2010

Stefan www

A popular argument that theists use goes as follows: Everything needs a cause, things don’t just exist. Therefore the universe must have a cause – God.

So the believer says: “The universe exists, so something must have caused it to exist. That cause must be outside the universe, so it must be a god of some sort.” The atheist replys: “But if a god exists, something must have caused him to exist.” The theist counters: “No, god is eternal.” But this violates one of the premises, namely that everything must have a cause.

Without that premise there is no problem. Just as God can be eternal the universe can be, too. God is simply an arbitrary, extra step people add and they do so because they want to believe, but that’s another subject.

Posted: January 25th 2010

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logicel

Religious believers can’t have their cake and eat it. Which is to say, that they can’t insist that there must be a designer, and yet at the same time claim the designer does not need a designer. They state this fallacious nonsense with great solemnity, but still, it is just too silly to be taken seriously. At age seven, while living in a devoutly religious family and attending religious school, I was able to see through this faulty reasoning.

Nothing regarding religious beliefs in themselves are factual. If you think that a group of people possessing non-evidential beliefs can decide those beliefs are factual by the very dint of their having them than you need to find out what factual means because you haven’t a clue.

Posted: January 24th 2010

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SmartLX www

Religions arbitrarily state that God must be eternal. They do not support this declaration with evidence or logic, except that they first assume nothing existed before God, which is begging the question.

If God can be declared eternal, why not cut out the middle man and simply say the universe is eternal, and that the Big Bang resulted from a previous state, and that no creator was necessary?

Religions impose this huge constraint on the universe in order to necessitate God, but they immediately have to break it in order to allow God.

Posted: January 24th 2010

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