Don't you need more faith to believe in Evolution than a God creator?

If we were any nearer to the sun we would burn up – if we were any further away we would freeze!

Look at the beauty of creation!

Can a big bang and explosion create anything?

Guess what, the other day I created an explosion and a beautiful animal was born!

Isn’t it time to wake up and be intelligent and realise that this world has a designer that we can all personally know!

Also the evolution guy – where the apple dropped on his head became a Christian and probably put his theories to bed! amen

Posted: April 1st 2008


First off, I think that you are a bit confused on what evolution is about. It’s not about the big bang, nor is it about the beginning of life.

But it’s not a question of faith, because Evolution is a theory. One that makes testable predictions about what we have observed about the past, and what we can observe about the future. It agrees quite well with those observations, but it may be that another theory will come along that will be better. But it needs to be something that predicts something.

For example, evolution predicts that if you look at biochemical processes across different animals, the similarity of those processes will agree with other measures of how close those animals are. And there’s a huge amount of evidence supporting this view. ID doesn’t provide any of this kind of prediction, and therefore is much less useful than evolution.

As another example, humans (and some other animals) cannot make vitamin C, which leads us prone to scurvy, a pretty horrible disease. But the vast majority of other animals can make their own vitamin C.

If humans are designed, there’s no reason for them to be designed this way, but it appears in humans that one of the genes to make an enzyme used in the process is defective.

Finally, but “apple guy” I presume that you are referring to Isaac Newton. He did a lot of great science, but was not an evolution guy.

I will also note that there are many believers who also believe evolution is true.

Posted: April 9th 2008

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You ask 'Don’t you need more faith to believe in Evolution than a God creator?’ The short answer is that you need no faith whatsoever (and by faith I mean taking something on trust for which there isn’t the slightest bit of evidence) to accept evolution. On the other hand, you need a singularly restricted view of nature and the lack of an enquiring mind to accept that 'god did it’, relying on a cobbled together book which is contradictory, speculative, and full of superstitious nonsense: miracles, virgin birth, interventions by 'god’, and resurrection of people actually dead.

Let’s take that a bit further: the bible is just one book of doubtful provenance. (Why are some books in and others – the apocrypha – left out? How much of it is a primary source? How much of it is the result of fanciful editing?) It gives us not the slightest hint of things that are now common knowledge. If only 'god’, or his prophets, could have told us about things which are now taken as common knowledge, e.g. the sun-centred solar system and the highly systematised Periodic Table of elements, which explains so many chemical and physical properties, I might consider the bible worthy of consideration as a source of knowledge. Even new testament morality, with its belief in hell, and its new take on morality, isn’t a primary source: it relies on Greek and earlier philosophy so it has little place anywhere, except perhaps as a poetic, historical example of human ignorance.

I too find beauty in the World about me and the wonders of the Universe, but I don’t leave my critical faculties behind when I think about them.

The evidence for evolution is overwhelming and is expanded daily. Other writers and earlier answers cover this in more detail. Look at the evidence! Just because you want to believe something doesn’t make it true. And your conflation of Newton and Darwin amply demonstrates your willingness to flaunt your ignorance.

It is always a matter of surprise to me that people can base their ideas on a work shot-through with ignorance and speculation while rejecting the overwhelming, consistent, and evidence-backed scientific version of human history.

Posted: April 3rd 2008

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Akusai www

If we were any nearer to the sun we would burn up – if we were any further away we would freeze!

This has nothing whatsoever to do with evolution. Nor does your mention of the Big Bang, but I’ll tackle that any way. It would serve you well to learn about the thing you’re trying to critique before you do it. These are astronomical and cosmological issues, not evolutionary ones.

Can a big bang and explosion create anything?

As has been said, the Big Bang was indeed not your everyday explosion. In fact, it wasn’t an explosion at all.

When one normally thinks explosion, one imagines existent matter releasing, in some way, some of its stored energy. Compacted gunpowder does this through combustion, nuclear bombs through fission or fusion. Technically, overfilling a balloon until it bursts is also an explosion. What matter is that matter and energy are expelled outward and a shockwave is created.

The Big Bang, on the other hand, was an expansion of space itself. The fabric of space began expanding from a very small volume to a very large volume, and it is still happenning today. It wasn’t an explosion at all, and using the word “explosion” to describe it serves only to obfuscate the facts. Your equivocation has been duly noted.

Also the evolution guy – where the apple dropped on his head became a Christian and probably put his theories to bed! amen

You’re doubly wrong here: It was, as the other two have said before me, Newton, not Darwin, about whom the apocryphal apple story is told. However, you’re also wrong to say that the apple guy “became a Christian;” he always was one, though you most likely would not be happy with his brand of Christianity: he rejected the triune deity and was essentially a latecomer to the Arian heresy.

Also, he dabbled in alchemy.

Neither of these has thing one to do with his work in physics or optics, however. The same would be true of Darwin, if he had converted.

Posted: April 3rd 2008

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SmartLX www

As Bitbutter points out, you’ll find atheist answers to most of what you’ve said just by reading responses to previous questions. Go through the whole lot, it won’t take you long.

That said, here are a few points you might not find elsewhere on the site.

  • Never mind its beauty, the important thing you’ve done is to call the universe “creation”. This assumes right off the bat that it was created, so someone who tries to argue the opposite using the same language sounds intrinsically wrong. It’s a clever device, but sorely overused. Regarding the actual claim, isn’t it easy to imagine that the human concept of beauty has adapted to our surroundings instead of the other way around?
  • The Big Bang was not your everyday explosion. It wasn’t destructive because there was likely nothing outside of it to be destroyed. It didn’t create heat as all heat in the universe was in the singularity to begin with; in fact it got colder as it spread out. The initial outward pressure has not lessened over time; for reasons nobody has yet found, the expansion of the universe is in fact accelerating. In short, thinking of the Big Bang as an ordinary explosion oversimplifies it to the point where making a decision regarding its plausibility is a really bad idea.
  • The evolution guy was Darwin, not Newton, and even Newton’s apple story is likely false. There is however a story which claims that Darwin recanted on his deathbed and embraced Christianity. It’s now called the Lady Hope story. It was denied by Darwin’s family, it contradicts his later writings on religion and belief and in general has very little credibility outside of creationist propaganda.

Posted: April 2nd 2008

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To answer your main question: no, belief in evolution does not require faith.

The theory of evolution was an extremely radical idea when Darwin first proposed it. It caused great outrage and was met with widespread rejection. But as evidence for the theory accumulated, honest-minded people were finally left with no choice but to agree that it is the best explanation we have of the evidence we see.

To get a sense of just how important and well supported the theory is, it’s useful to reflect that an understanding of evolution has been crucial to the development of modern techniques in agriculture and medicine.

If we were any nearer to the sun we would burn up – if we were any further away we would freeze!

That’s how life could arise on earth and not on the other planets in our solar system. Here’s a discussion of the anthropic principle which you will find illuminating.

Look at the beauty of creation!

Are you implying that it’s so beautiful that it must have been designed? Check this examination of a similar claim.

Can a big bang and explosion create anything?

Reponses to the question Do you believe matter has always existed? will be of interest to you.

Also the evolution guy – where the apple dropped on his head became a Christian and probably put his theories to bed! amen

You’re thinking of Isaac Newton. Like most people alive during his time, he was a young earth creationist—like you probably are, and not an 'evolution guy’.

The incident with the falling apple is alleged to have taken place in 1665. Darwin’s On the Origin of Species was published in 1859.

Posted: April 2nd 2008

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