Mike the Infidel www

As a person who accepted Christ as his savior when I was 17, then later became an atheist, I can honestly say that it doesn’t matter to me anymore. The concept of being saved or unsaved doesn’t have any actual meaning for me as an atheist, since it’s purely a Christian idea.

Christians disagree on this question. Some say that if you later become an atheist, then you were only a professing Christian, not an actual Christian – meaning that you talked the talk but didn’t walk the walk. Some say that if you’re saved once, you’re saved forever. Some say that everyone is saved at birth by the gift of God’s grace represented by Jesus’ death. Some don’t believe in hell and think 'being saved’ is a meaningless idea.

Basically, they all make it up as they go, to fit whatever scenario they find most theologically palatable. I’ll leave it to the believers to decide what they think is right, because I think they’re all wrong.

Posted: January 22nd 2010

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Yes, because they never were doomed in the first place.

Posted: January 18th 2010

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Eshu www

On my travels I’ve noticed some Christians who say that anyone who loses their Christian faith was never a “real” Christian in the first place.

The startling implication is that there’s no other way to tell if a person is a real Christian. If there was – say missionary work, regular church attendance, personal sacrifice – then we’d surely find plenty of counter-examples that would blow the original claim out of the water.

I think this claim arises from a desperate need to ensure the Bible can’t be proved false.

Posted: January 18th 2010

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That’s a Christian theological question. Why would you ask atheists about it?

Posted: January 17th 2010

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brian thomson www

You could call this a kind of “deathbed de-conversion” and if so, do you consider “deathbed conversion” valid? This is the idea that you can spend your life doing anything, but be “saved” at the last minute by saying certain words. (Some Christians do, including those who claim Charles Darwin had one – a claim that is unsupported.) Do you believe that a conversion – or de-conversion – can wipe out past thoughts and deeds?

On the other hand, I have a hypothesis that actions are more important than words, regardless of one’s “state”. If I’m going to face any kind of “judgement” after my death, the “judge” will be more interested in what I did, and less interested in what I said. This makes the notion of being “saved” rather pointless, in my opinion.

To be fair – you didn’t really expect atheists to buy in to the concept of being “saved”, did you? ;-)

Posted: January 17th 2010

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SmartLX www

I’m gonna say no, according to Christian doctrine, because you need to stay “saved” right up until you die for it to count for anything. I’d say an evangelical would tell you that if you later became an atheist, you were never “truly” “saved”.

Posted: January 16th 2010

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